Yorkshire may be preparing to embrace the Tour de France in summer 2014, but it appears that not everybody is happy about expected influx of cyclists keen to try out the route. Responding to a local councillor's complaints about large groups of cyclists speeding through the village of Embsay and acting "as a law unto themselves" Chief Superintendent Alison Higgins of North Yorkshire Police told the councillor to expect more cyclists in the area in the run up to next year's Tour Grand Depart, even though the village is not on the route.
Chief Superintendent Alison Higgins of North Yorkshire Police told Councillor Quinn that more cyclists were expected to visit the area ahead of next year’s Grand Départ, adding “we are aware there is a problem, but it will not change overnight.”
The Craven Herald also reported her as saying that cyclists had to be ‘re-educated’ and that her force would seek to liaise with cycling groups, as it had previously done with motorcyclists.
Chief Inspector Simon Lovell, police commander for the Craven area, said that up to 500,000 were expected to visit for the weekend of the Grand Départ, but said that in the months ahead “every cyclist worth his salt” was likely to wish to tackle the route.
The exchange took place at a meeting of the council’s select committee last Wednesday that focused on crime and disorder, with Conservative councillor Andy Quinn claiming that cyclists were riding at speed through villages including Embsay and failing to stop at red lights, including at pelican crossings, reports the Craven Herald.
“They are a law unto themselves,” maintained Councillor Quinn. “We have an elderly population in Embsay and we’ve had incidents where car wing mirrors have gone missing. Something needs to be done.”
Unusually for a local newspaper report, involving bicycles, the comments to the Craven Herald's article aren't full of the typical accusations of all cyclists breaking the law and how they shouldn't be on the road in the first place because they "don't pay road tax," a common misconception due to that tax being abolished in the 1930s.
Instead, the comments, including some from cyclists who appear to be neighbours of Councillor Quinn, highlight logging trucks, cars and caravans as posing the greatest danger on Embsay's roads as well as being responsible for those broken wing mirrors, and also highlight the imppossibility of cyclists riding through the village at between 40 and 50mph as he had claimed.
The village is on Sustrans regional route 10, the Yorkshire Dales Cycle Way, which forms a 130-mile loop, and lies a couple of miles north east of Skipton, which is on the route of Stage 1 of the 2014 Tour de France from Leeds to Harrogate. As a result, the area is predicted to see growing numbers of cyclists take to the road over the next sixteen months.
While cyclists are not bound by speed limits, as Bike Hub’s Cycling and the Law article points out they can be prosecuted for “riding furiously”, an offence under the 1847 Town Police Clauses Act, or for “wanton and furious driving.” Riders are of course bound by laws to obey traffic signals.
While studies featured here on road.cc show that is only a small minority of cyclists who do regularly break the law, they are a very visible one, and the situation is not helped by the fact that some see them, rightly or wrongly, as being allowed to get away with behaviour that they believe would not be tolerated if they were behind the wheel of a car.

53 thoughts on “Tour in Yorkshire… not everyone’s happy about expected influx of cyclists”
there is something that
there is something that reminds me of the film Hot Fuzz… “for the greater good”.
As Rick Robson (csphotos) points out under the Herald article – it’s a nothing story which heightens tension between residents, motorists and cyclists. shame about all those new visitors to the area potentially parting with cash at local businesses.
“we’ve had incidents where
“we’ve had incidents where car wing mirrors have gone missing”
That bit sounds highly unlikely to be cyclists?
1) less likely than a car to aim that close to a car
2) don’t have the momentum to knock a mirror out of sight
3) mirrors don’t fit well in jersey pockets…not that I’ve tried
bazzargh wrote:”we’ve had
Excellent comment, as usual it takes someone with a bit of common sense to spell it out to people. It makes you wonder how these people get elected as councillors.
If a cyclist hit a wing mirror i know who would come off worst !
4) Lack of evidence of
4) Lack of evidence of cyclist/mirror interaction e.g. bloodied cyclists lying on the road in pain after hitting said wing mirrors at speed.
Yeah, you better watch out
Yeah, you better watch out for cyclists; we’re a bunch of b@startds.
😉
Bit of a non-story really, it
Bit of a non-story really, it sounds like the kind of exchange at any parish council / community meeting.
I’m sure someone will have said “Huh, Embsay will get nothing out of this Tour de France business.” Or perhaps “The youth of today, honestly!!”
As if cars and lorries don’t terrorise whole communities already… (and no, I’m not exaggerating)
Just under a month until we
Just under a month until we take on the first two stages over a weekend. Bring on the haters!
The ‘Hot Fuzz’ reference is spot on.
Elderly villagers with cars?
Elderly villagers with cars? An accident waiting to happen,
To be honest I was ashamed of
To be honest I was ashamed of the Craven Herald newspaper for printing the councillors remarks as a news story with no evidence to back up his comments. Clearly nobody at the newspaper had read through his comments and weighed up firstly is it possible to ride through Embsay at 40 – 50 mph three abreast or is it really likely that cyclists are somehow removing car mirrors? As i said in my comments on the original article, it would be very hard to knock off a wing mirror without sustaining injuries to your hand or having a major stack into the tarmac.
This morning by 8.30 school run time in Embsay main street, two logging trucks had passed through the village – surely a far more likely culprit than a cyclist, if any wing mirrors are actually going missing? Have missing wing mirrors been reported to the police?
Love the switch at the Craven Herald from feigning interest in Cycling when they don’t usaully care less when the Tour route was announced, a very quick revert to type.
Shame efforts locally don’t go into fixing roads or educating truck drivers on the Grassington road that 6 inches isn’t an exceptable distance to give a cyclist.
But hey-ho that probably wouldn’t get Mr Quinn re elected.
“Welcome to Yorkshire”….but
“Welcome to Yorkshire”….but NIMBY.
I think there’s something up
I think there’s something up with the link to the Craven Herald. It’s a local newspaper’s website and there doesn’t seem to be a single mention of “Road tax” or “Red light jumping” in the comments. Someone fleetingly mentioned pavement cyclists, but that’s it. Might be worth looking into.
From the picture of
From the picture of Councillor Quinn, it looks like he could do with getting on a bike, the weight loss might lower his blood pressure back down.
Not sure it’d help with his lack of common sense though.
Shock – rotund rural

Shock – rotund rural councillor is a cycling bigot. 8|
If papers (local and national) weren’t so desperate to try and keep themselves relevant in the digital economy then the views of these idiots wouldn’t get any publicity.
The comments on the Craven
The comments on the Craven Herald non-story are refreshing. Only one gibbering simpleton blethering about pavement cyclists, and everyone else calmly and logically taking this piece of dimwitted hackery apart.
I’ll make a mental note never to spend any money in Embsay in future though, nasty little NIMBYs.
mintimperial wrote:I’ll make
Bear in mind that it appears to be just the one ignoramus. Perhaps that’s how you get to be a councillor, we have our share of moronic shit-for-brains councillors in Shrewsbury too.
You could stop and say “My mates and I had intended to stop to buy lunch here as we’re starving but after reading what your councillor thinks of cyclists I’m off to (insert nearby village)”.
I will certainly avoid the place if I go to Yorkshire for Le Tour.
Simon E wrote:mintimperial
You may have seen my other thread regarding to riding the route in the near future – I have posted that fact as well as the same sentiment as you on the Craven Herald comments section. That’s a tangible impact, and it’s not even in the same year as the race yet.
During Sportives I have seen
During Sportives I have seen groups of cyclists run red lights and it is annoying. I have never seen a cyclist take off a wing mirror but have seen a few cyclists taken down by one on a moving car.
My biggest bugbear after a mass ride is the number of dropped gel wrappers (not a concern of the article I note).
“Riding Furiously …”
Love
“Riding Furiously …”
Love it … 🙂
Just did a tiny bit of
Just did a tiny bit of research. 40mph on the flat would require on output of around 1400watts. TdF riders manager less than half of that!
There seem to be a small
There seem to be a small minority of people in power with loud voices that spout this anti-cycling tripe and surely it is tantamount to ‘incitement’ by all means prosecute any one for cycling illegally but don’t stir up trouble and incite road rage.
it was me – i knocked out the
it was me – i knocked out the 40/50mph through the village – don’t really like to boast about it – will fire the strava info up in a mo 😉
oh sorry about that mirror but u know it was in my way B-)
This does highlight one major
This does highlight one major concern of mine; the selfish few causing problems for the majority.
I would guess that that a tiny number of people have ridden like plonkers through the villages but, of course, they are the ones that stand out and are remembered by the locals who then see everyone as being a problem.
What does it cost to think about the effect on others round you, slow down a fraction when coming though a place people live etc.? After all that is exactly what we want car and truck drivers to do for us.
bit of a pointless article
bit of a pointless article here. Of course some people won’t be happy. After all it will be all loss for many as they will get an influx of cyclists which isn’t always nice, even if they are angelic, and get nothing for it. Any gains will be for the wider community and very often that means just a few. Just like the Olympics. I won’t see any benefit but I do see negatives.
To be honest all these comments, even mine would be better off not being published, including the news item. How about an extra pic of a nice bike instead?
Down with this sort of thing
Down with this sort of thing
Some people are strange,
Some people are strange, lobby the world to get the TDF through your place and then complain because it is actually coming. Have a party, but banners up, pain the roads, etc.. Cheer up!!! It’s your opprtunity to show the world how good you can be!
It’s a change from Craven
It’s a change from Craven Herald’s normal concerns of dog crap and drunk driving…
Send Councillor Quinn an
Send Councillor Quinn an email andygill.quinn@virgin.net – Let him know what real people think!
I hope the local hardware
I hope the local hardware shops going to ban this muppet for buying carpet tacks over the next 18 months!!!
Today I was crossing
Today I was crossing Piccadilly in London when a motorist stuck in a jam decided to use the pedestrian crossing as a way to avoid the traffic and turn round. Though he apologised for almost running me over in the ‘safe’ area in the middle of the road, I was able to share with him my opinion that he was a moron.
Predictably he was driving a big car….
Surly ther’s an opportunity
Surly ther’s an opportunity for a closed road Etape in Yorkshire next year; that would put some money back into the locals’ pockets. I’d love to ride a stage, but can’t afford to do a stage in France; must be loads of others who would fill the B&Bs for a weekend.
Cyclists are a fucking
Cyclists are a fucking menace. We need to Cull them like the Badgers & Romanians.
If it goes on much longer, more and more people are going to be healthier and have a great sense of well being from a recreational activity that doesn’t involve guzzling pints and eating shit food.
As for the biggest bike race in the world coming to our shores it can only be viewed as complete waste of taxpayers money just like the shitty olympics.
You Couldn’t make it up, Words fail me, etc. etc
What a fucking tool banging on about wing mirrors. Can you imagine the pain of clipping ones of those in a Rapha Soft Shell or a Flimsy pair of DHB tights? 😉
That to me is a goal, “you
That to me is a goal, “you sir are riding furiously”, “why thank you officer”.
You should see my wing mirror collection, its worth the broken hips, legs, collarbones and frames……what a d**k.
Simmo72 wrote:That to me is a
I to dream of that day. With Rocky OST playing in the background
Riding in a bike lane up the
Riding in a bike lane up the inside of a queue of rush hour traffic one morning I accidentally clipped a car wing mirror with my handlebar (flat bars). It popped the cover off, so I stopped to pick it up and handed it to the driver, who had wound down her window. She said “Thanks!” I was surprised that she didn’t seem annoyed. I said “sorry” and rode off. It is possible to damage a car’s wing mirror with a bicycle, but hard to do that without damaging yourself in the process, and it is not going to “go missing”.
The comments under the Craven Herald article make a refreshingly good read. One of them points out his loss of two friends killed by motorists on Yorkshire roads.
I must admit when I saw the
I must admit when I saw the photo of the councillor in the craven herald (isn’t that someone who whispers the news for fear of offending people) I thought now there’s a hamster in need of a wheel.
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Seems everywhere has a few
Seems everywhere has a few local councillors not elected on intellectual merit. A few years back here in Norn Iron, we had a local councillor claiming that foreign lorry drivers were a bigger risk on his local roads because, (to paraphrase him) “They are so used to driving on the other side of the road, that in a pootential collision they would automatically steer towards the danger rather than away from it”. However the fact the local paper actually printed this as a story without questioning the logic (or lack of it) is hardly a positive testimony to the journalistic or editorial skills of those who work for it.
Otis Bragg wrote: we had a
Sadly there is a grain of truth in the higher risk even if the reasoning is flawed. There was a fatal RTA near Ledbury when a foreign lorry driver left a layby on the wrong side of the road, drove over 400m and had a head on collision with Land Rover coming in the opposite direction
http://www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/5057609.print/
similar stories appear on
similar stories appear on motorcycling forums from time to time too, best not rehashed imo (does a non-story about a non-story restore the cosmic equilibrium?)
I’d rather they weaponise Dads Army to take out the chavs who drop their McDonalds takeaway bags out of their hot-hatches in perfect synchronised radii in my local North Yorkshire villages …
Cyclists need to be
Cyclists need to be re-educated?!
WTF?
Anyone wishing to try the tour route would be a half decent cyclist with a decent amount of road craft on a not very cheap bike and bring money to the area to spend in cafes etc
Most roadies are well behaved and polite too – I’m sorry if that’s not the sort of people you want in Yorkshire!!!
How about putting the £60k plus of your wages to good use and actually concentrate on groups of people committing crimes 😕
Right Mr Gribblethwaite,
Right Mr Gribblethwaite, what’s next item on t’agenda?
Well, this bike rice thing next year, you know, t’Tour De France.
By heck, does that mean we’ll have to put up with all them bloody cyclists in’t road ?
Aye, that as like, right bloddy nuisance, coming here, riding furiously, pinching wing mirrors, don’t know what t’world’s coming to.
By heck.
But in a little village in France somwhere, at about the same time.
Mon dieu !
Que’st qe cais ?
Nous sommes departe de Tour
Bon chance!
Hoorah ! (or French equivalent)
Vive la France !
I’ll leave it with you to make your own minds up.
What is most depressing about
What is most depressing about this story is what Chief Superintendent Alison Higgins has to say: ‘she told the meeting that she agreed that cyclists were an increasing problem on roads and likened it to that of speeding motorcyclists.
She said they needed to be re-educated, particularly because their number was likely to increase dramatically with the arrival in the area of the Tour de France in a year’s time.’
Essentially she is agreeing with a complete buffoon (nearly all local councilors) making unfounded remarks about a minority group. Insert black instead of cyclist Ms Higgins and see how fast you loose your job, quite rightly.
An over weight Councillor who
An over weight Councillor who probably hasn’t been on a bicycle for 50 yrs, and a blinkered Copper who should be concentrating her energies on reducing real crime, what a combination!
I wish I’d thought of asking
I wish I’d thought of asking those 2 motorists for the offending wing mirror as a souvenir for them clipping me. :”(
It’s obvious who is cycling
It’s obvious who is cycling through their village at 50 mph knocking off car wing mirrors – it’s Lance after a “delivery”.
The locals here in Bourg
The locals here in Bourg d’Oisans are also trying to stop the stage going over the Col de Sarenne after Alpe d’Huez. They are worried that the mountain will be ruined by the influx of tourists watching or riding the route.
Just check my Garmin and on
Just check my Garmin and on the last 3 Ilkley club runs through Embsay our speed was 15-17 mph.. there is a faster decent from the moor through Eastby on the outskirts of the village but max speed on decent is about 25mph .. shall I send the councillor the link!
Thanks ,these comments have
Thanks ,these comments have given me a really good laugh:
now you know what sort of weird & wonderful comments from councillors,and many assorted “writers of letters to the editor” sounded like when the 2010 UCI Road Titles were held in Geelong!Though I don’t recall any wing mirrors going missing: too heavy to put in the hand luggage home? However, perhaps we shouldn’t pick on the size of the gentleman in question,as I am a bit chubby myself and we may be thought to be indulging in vilification of some sort. (Loved the guinea pig in the bubble though).
HH
My thanks to Dog72 I must say
My thanks to Dog72 I must say your better at this tinternet thingy than me and quick to.
Am getting a wonderful Last
Am getting a wonderful Last of the Summer Wine / TdF crossover moment.
“Norman! Outside! There’s hundreds of men in tight shorts on bicycles!”
“Calm down Nora, let’s see what’s going on. [pause] Oh my goodness, they do seem very… anatomically correct.”
Dear Fellow Cyclists,
I have
Dear Fellow Cyclists,
I have registered on this site to address the ridiculous article posted in my local paper from our Councillor Mr Andy Quinn. I live in Embsay have done since 1985, l live a step away from Mr Quinn and have never actually seen him out on the streets of the village so I really unsure where he gets his “facts” from. I just wanted to reassure you that he is not representative of all opinions in our area. We are just like everywhere else some people love cyclist, some people don’t, some just are oblivious of us. One thing I do know he is the first person who has not been excited about the TDF coming to our area that I have spoken to cyclist or not.
What the article has shown is a Councillor who is out of step with the mood of the area and that someone is high enough in the police expressing intolerant views. The latter now that is worrying. Maybe I should not be surprised about Mr Quinn, never voted for him, never rated him as a Councillor, but Chief Superintendent Higgins is a professional and should purport herself as such. She should have the statistics at her finger tips, and she should be there to give a balance view for the safety of all road users.
I have never seen a serious cyclist ride poorly through our village, it does have a Strava section the fastest is 20 miles an hour, it is impossible to ride the village fast due to the incline, the parked cars and road surface, its not straight through either. I don’t want this to become a cyclist vs. motorist argument, what really annoys me is that Mr Quinn has not opened a safer road use debate. That could have been a great legacy on the back of the TDF preparations.
Like many local cyclists I am writing to lots of different forums just get some redress for Mr Quinn, apparently the Craven Herald will be doing a piece on the reaction to Mr Quinn’s views. The cynic makes me wonder if the Craven Herald would have if not challenged so quickly.
So riders of the World do come to our small area of Yorkshire, its got great countryside, good café’s/pubs with fantastic riding on and off road. The cyclists are polite and welcoming and will nod and say “Hello”, don’t expect to over take us though because as you can see our speeds are exceptional.
Now where is the address for the Chamber of Commerce………
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Groups of cyclist riding
Groups of cyclist riding through the village at 40-50 mph ??
THESE RIDERS SHOULD BE STOPPED – and immediately enrolled on BC’s World Class Performance Plan. The future of our sporting prowess will then certainly be assured. 😕
I’m pleased to see a full
I’m pleased to see a full page of letters in this week’s paper expressing pretty much the same as on here. Plus a separate half-page article on welcoming Le Tour.